diff --git a/bash/file_management/README.md b/bash/file_management/README.md
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+# Install file management
+
+inspired by the work of Karl Voit
+https://karl-voit.at/managing-digital-photographs/
+
+install all these scripts to use geeqie and Novoid libs to manage your files.
+check the install script to ensure it makes what you expect from it before running it.
+``` bash
+bash install.sh
+```
+# tldrlol
+install all the things with this:
+``` bash
+git clone https://forge.chapril.org/tykayn/scripts
+cd scripts/bash/file_management
+bash install.sh
+```
diff --git a/bash/file_management/add-tags.desktop b/bash/file_management/add-tags.desktop
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+[Desktop Entry]
+Name=filetags add
+GenericName=filetags
+Comment=
+Exec=$HOME/areas/www/misc/vk-filetags-interactive-adding-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh %F
+Icon=
+Terminal=true
+Type=Application
+Categories=Application;Graphics;
+hidden=false
+MimeType=image/*;video/*;image/mpo;image/thm
+Categories=X-Geeqie;
diff --git a/bash/file_management/append-name.desktop b/bash/file_management/append-name.desktop
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+[Desktop Entry]
+Name=filetags append file name
+GenericName=filetags
+Comment=
+Exec=$HOME/areas/www/misc/vk-filetags-interactive-append-file-name-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh %F
+Icon=
+Terminal=true
+Type=Application
+Categories=Application;Graphics;
+hidden=false
+MimeType=image/*;video/*;image/mpo;image/thm
+Categories=X-Geeqie;
diff --git a/bash/file_management/guess-filename.desktop b/bash/file_management/guess-filename.desktop
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+[Desktop Entry]
+Name=filetags guess file name
+GenericName=filetags
+Comment=
+Exec=$HOME/areas/www/misc/vk-filetags-interactive-guess-filename-with-gnome-terminal.sh %F
+Icon=
+Terminal=true
+Type=Application
+Categories=Application;Graphics;
+hidden=false
+MimeType=image/*;video/*;image/mpo;image/thm
+Categories=X-Geeqie;
diff --git a/bash/file_management/guess_filename.sh b/bash/file_management/guess_filename.sh
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+#! /bin/bash
+shopt -s globstar || exit
+for PIC in **
+do
+# look only for jpg
+if [[ "$PIC" =~ \.JPG$ ]] || [[ "$PIC" =~ \.jpg$ ]]; then
+        echo "file_$PIC"
+        # get the date and time from the tag DateTimeOriginal
+        DATE=$(exiftool -p '$DateTimeOriginal' "$PIC" | sed 's/[: ]//g')
+        LONGDATE=$(echo $DATE | sed -e 's/^\(.\{12\}\).*/\1/')
+            # check if DateTimeOriginal is 0000... OR empty
+            if [[ "$LONGDATE" != "000000000000" ]] && [[ -n "$LONGDATE" ]]; then
+            echo "datetimeoriginal_$LONGDATE"
+            # modify the attribute date with the info in the tag date
+            touch -t $LONGDATE "$PIC"
+            # customize date, in this case eliminate the time, getting only the date in 8 numbers and adding _
+            DATEMOD2=$(echo $DATE | sed -e 's/^\(.\{8\}\).*/\1_/')
+            echo "datemod2_$DATEMOD2"
+                    # skip renaming if
+                    # 8 numbers at beginning followed by _ or after IMG_ or P_ and followed by _ (already date stamped)
+                    if [[ "$PIC" =~ [[:digit:]]{8}_.*$ ]] || [[ "$PIC" =~ IMG_[[:digit:]]{8}_.*$] ]] || [[ "$PIC" =~ P_[[:digit:]]{8}_.*$] ]]; then
+                    :
+                    else
+                    # this will be done
+
+                    filename=$(basename "$PIC")
+                    echo "$filename"
+                    echo "mv -i \""$PIC"\" \""$(dirname "$PIC")"/"$DATEMOD2""$filename"\""
+                    #uncomment if you like it
+                    mv -i "$PIC" "$(dirname "$PIC")/$DATEMOD2$filename"
+
+                    fi
+            else
+            # get the date and time from the tag HistoryWhen
+
+            DATE=$(exiftool -p '$HistoryWhen' "$PIC" | sed 's/[: ]//g')
+            LONGDATE=$(echo $DATE | sed -e 's/^\(.\{12\}\).*/\1/')
+
+            # check if Historywhen is 0000... or empty
+                if [[ "$LONGDATE" != "000000000000" ]] && [[ -n "$LONGDATE" ]]; then
+                echo "historywhentag_$LONGDATE"
+
+                touch -t $LONGDATE "$PIC"
+                DATEMOD2B=$(echo $DATE | sed -e 's/^\(.\{8\}\).*/\1_/')
+                echo "datemod2B_$DATEMOD2B"
+
+                    if [[ "$PIC" =~ [[:digit:]]{8}_.*$ ]] || [[ "$PIC" =~ IMG_[[:digit:]]{8}_.*$] ]] || [[ "$PIC" =~ P_[[:digit:]]{8}_.*$] ]]; then
+                    :
+                    else
+                    # this will be done             
+                    filename=$(basename "$PIC")
+                    echo "$filename"
+                    echo "mv -i \""$PIC"\" \""$(dirname "$PIC")"/"$DATEMOD2B""$filename"\""
+                    #uncomment if you like it
+                    mv -i "$PIC" "$(dirname "$PIC")/$DATEMOD2B$filename"
+                    fi
+
+                else
+                    # get the date and time from the tag tag filemodifydate
+
+                    DATE=$(exiftool -p '$filemodifydate' "$PIC" | sed 's/[: ]//g')
+                    LONGDATE=$(echo $DATE | sed -e 's/^\(.\{12\}\).*/\1/')
+
+                    # check if filemodifydate is 0000... or  empty
+                    if [[ "$LONGDATE" != "000000000000" ]] && [[ -n "$LONGDATE" ]]; then
+                    #echo "filemodifydatetag_$LONGDATE"
+
+                    #touch -t $LONGDATE "$PIC"
+                    DATEMOD2C=$(echo $DATE | sed -e 's/^\(.\{8\}\).*/\1_/')
+                    echo "datemod2C_$DATEMOD2C"
+
+                        if [[ "$PIC" =~ [[:digit:]]{8}_.*$ ]] || [[ "$PIC" =~ IMG_[[:digit:]]{8}_.*$] ]] || [[ "$PIC" =~ P_[[:digit:]]{8}_.*$] ]]; then
+                        :
+                        else
+                        # this will be done             
+                        filename=$(basename "$PIC")
+                        echo "$filename"
+                        echo "mv -i \""$PIC"\" \""$(dirname "$PIC")"/"$DATEMOD2C""$filename"\""
+                        #uncomment if you like it
+                        mv -i "$PIC" "$(dirname "$PIC")/$DATEMOD2C$filename"
+                        fi
+
+                    else
+
+                    echo "Error, NO date available"
+                    fi
+                fi
+            fi
+fi
+done
diff --git a/bash/file_management/install.sh b/bash/file_management/install.sh
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+#!/bin/bash
+
+echo "installation des outils de file management pour geequie"
+
+
+if ! hash "exiftool" > /dev/null; then
+	echo "installer les paquets apt: apt install exiftool xfce4-terminal geeqie "
+	apt install exiftool xfce4-terminal geeqie gnome-terminal
+
+fi
+
+if ! hash "guessfilename" > /dev/null; then
+	echo "installer les paquets python :  guessfilename filetags date2name appendfilename"
+	pip install guessfilename filetags date2name appendfilename
+
+fi
+
+
+# créer le dossier de scripts
+if [ ! -d $HOME/areas/www/misc ]; then
+	echo "installer les dossiers PARA dans la home"
+	mkdir -p $HOME/areas/www/misc
+	mkdir -p $HOME/projects
+	mkdir -p $HOME/archives
+	mkdir -p $HOME/ressources
+fi
+
+
+if [ ! -d $HOME/areas/www/misc/novoid/filetags ]; then
+    git clone https://github.com/novoid/filetags.git $HOME/areas/www/misc/novoid
+fi
+
+
+
+mkdir -p $HOME/.config/geeqie/applications
+
+# copier les wrappers
+echo "copier les wrappers dans $HOME/areas/www/misc"
+cp vk-filetags*.sh $HOME/areas/www/misc
+
+cp guess_filename.sh $HOME/areas/www/misc
+cp vkorgheadingstats.sh $HOME/areas/www/misc
+# rendre éxécutable les scripts
+chmod u+x /home/cipherbliss/areas/www/misc/*.sh
+
+# copier les scripts qui seront utilisés par geeqie
+echo "copier  les scripts qui seront utilisés par geeqie dans $HOME/.config/geeqie/applications/"
+cp *.desktop $HOME/.config/geeqie/applications/
+
+echo "ça c'est fait. plus qu'a configurer les raccourcis de ces scripts dans la partie plugins de Geeqie"
diff --git a/bash/file_management/remove-tags.desktop b/bash/file_management/remove-tags.desktop
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+[Desktop Entry]
+Name=filetags remove
+GenericName=filetags
+Comment=
+Exec=$HOME/areas/www/misc/vk-filetags-interactive-removing-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh %F
+Icon=
+Terminal=true
+Type=Application
+Categories=Application;Graphics;
+hidden=false
+MimeType=image/*;video/*;image/mpo;image/thm
+Categories=X-Geeqie;
diff --git a/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-adding-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh b/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-adding-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh
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+++ b/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-adding-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh
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+#!/bin/sh
+
+/usr/bin/gnome-terminal \
+    --geometry=73x5+330+5  \
+    --hide-menubar \
+    -x $HOME/areas/www/misc/novoid/filetags/__init__.py --interactive "${@}"
+
+#end
diff --git a/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-append-file-name-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh b/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-append-file-name-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh
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+#!/bin/sh
+
+/usr/bin/gnome-terminal \
+    --geometry=73x5+330+5  \
+    --hide-menubar \
+    -x $HOME/.local/bin/appendfilename "${@}"
+
+#end
diff --git a/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-guess-filename-with-gnome-terminal.sh b/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-guess-filename-with-gnome-terminal.sh
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+ #!/bin/sh
+
+/usr/bin/gnome-terminal \
+    --geometry=73x5+330+5  \
+    --hide-menubar \
+    -x $HOME/.local/bin/guessfilename --interactive "${@}"
+
+#end
diff --git a/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-removing-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh b/bash/file_management/vk-filetags-interactive-removing-wrapper-with-gnome-terminal.sh
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+#!/bin/sh
+
+/usr/bin/gnome-terminal \
+    --geometry=73x5+330+5  \
+    --hide-menubar \
+    -x $HOME/areas/www/misc/novoid/filetags/__init__.py --interactive --remove "${@}"
+
+#end